I really liked the episode “Agile at Scale – Reality is complex, don’t expect simple solutions” of the bol.com Techlab Podcast. Peter Brouwers discusses with Jorien Brangert and Hessel de Gelder about their 10-year journey to make the company agile. At the start there were seven Scrum teams and today 150 teams work with each other in an agil way. A challenge not to be neglected is the coordination of the agile teams but also the area of tension between alignment and autonomy. This episode also tells you how the Flight Levels at bol.com help to address these challenges. So, listen in!